I guess I should have been much more precise, but I do think my OP even now implies it. I'm not trying to find a 'substitute' for W231, but a 'substitution'. For quite some time, I've applied W231 for 'practice' loads in my find handguns employed for house/self protection, but https://cfepistol9mm124loaddata24613.actoblog.com/27077759/cfe-pistol-9mm-load-data-for-dummies